Meeting+Minutes+(2011.03.25)

=2011.03.14 - Pixel Mountain Meeting (Second Life)= Second Life, Memorial Union on Beaver Island: http://bit.ly/BeaverIsland-MU and then move to http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Smithsonian%20Latino%20Main/36/159/23 to see Oaxaca "Kiosk") 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PDT

In Attendance

 * Wrenaria Antiesse
 * Wainbrave Bernal
 * Chiron Mirror
 * Cooper Macbeth
 * Ute Frenburg
 * Ruby Sol

Action Items

 * Wrenaria: Set up Pixel Mountain parcel and group in SL
 * Build kiosk-like university commons on SL parcel showcasing projects (like a teaser)
 * Create individual Machinima of projects to be compiled into cohesive piece
 * Fill out contact information in the Pixel Mountain Contact Google Doc (send Wren your gmail info if you need access)



Transcript
[12:07] Wrenaria Antiesse: hey [12:07] Wainbrave Bernal: hey! [12:07] Wainbrave Bernal: how are ya? [12:07] Wrenaria Antiesse: not bad [12:08] Wainbrave Bernal: I"m going to run and grab something from the fridge while we wait for others [12:08] Wainbrave Bernal: :) [12:08] Wainbrave Bernal: starving [12:08] Wrenaria Antiesse: okay :) [12:08] Wainbrave Bernal: brb afk [12:10] Wrenaria Antiesse: hey Ruby [12:13] Wainbrave Bernal: are we on voice? [12:13] Wainbrave Bernal: or relying on chat? [12:13] Wrenaria Antiesse: chat at the moment [12:13] Wrenaria Antiesse: though I am capable of doing either [12:13] Wainbrave Bernal: kk - makes it easier for me to gnosh on these crunchy walnuts in my salad [12:13] Wainbrave Bernal: :D [12:13] Ruby Sol: :) [12:13] Wrenaria Antiesse: :D [12:14] Wainbrave Bernal: did you also get a "something unexpected" memo up when you tried to accesss the Oregon OpenSim? [12:14] Wainbrave Bernal: using Snowglobe [12:14] Wrenaria Antiesse: yes [12:14] Wainbrave Bernal: k [12:15] Wainbrave Bernal: I emailed Levy and told him as much [12:15] Wainbrave Bernal: grrr [12:15] Wrenaria Antiesse: I'm starting to feel like people didn't actually read the part of my email that said "Meet in SL as a backup plan" [12:15] Wrenaria Antiesse: oh well [12:15] Wrenaria Antiesse: :p [12:16] Ruby Sol: hi coop [12:16] Wainbrave Bernal: it's tough to remember all the variables [12:16] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey there coop! [12:16] Wainbrave Bernal: poof [12:17] Cooper Macbeth: Hi all. [12:17] Wrenaria Antiesse: hi :) [12:17] Ruby Sol: hi ute [12:17] Wainbrave Bernal: hey! good to see everyone [12:17] Ute Frenburg: Hi, guys! :-) [12:18] Wainbrave Bernal: sorry about iED's "issues" [12:18] Wainbrave Bernal: I sent an email to Levi - the sysop [12:18] Wainbrave Bernal: to let him know we're clawing at the door [12:18] Ute Frenburg: issues? Is that what the technical term is theses days? lol [12:18] Wainbrave Bernal: and it's not opening [12:18] Ruby Sol: thanks jonathon [12:19] Cooper MacbethCooper Macbeth's thinking that OOCDL is some sort of, hmmm, relative to ADHD. Cooper's bad. [12:19] Wainbrave Bernal: well Ute, that's my generic therapist's term for it [12:19] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg laughs. [12:19] Wainbrave BernalWainbrave Bernal grins [12:19] Wrenaria Antiesse: :) [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: so we now have the Opening Keynote to look forward to in Boston [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: our panel [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: our symposium [12:20] Ute Frenburg: wOOt!! [12:20] Wrenaria Antiesse: yay [12:20] Cooper Macbeth: Congrats [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: to all of us [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: to ALL of us [12:20] Ute Frenburg: I read your paper, Jon. Very provocative! :-) [12:20] Wainbrave Bernal: yah - congrats [12:21] Wainbrave Bernal: oh, thanks Ute! [12:21] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey Chiron [12:21] Wrenaria Antiesse: hey Chiron :D [12:21] Chiron Mirror: Hi all [12:21] Wrenaria Antiesse: I think this is the extent of the group today [12:22] Wainbrave Bernal: kk [12:22] Ute Frenburg: Is everyone going to be in Boston? Is there a capability to go via SL? [12:22] Wrenaria Antiesse: Jim was supposed to be here too but...? [12:22] Wainbrave Bernal: jim is on the road i think [12:22] Wrenaria Antiesse: ah okay [12:22] Wrenaria Antiesse: in that case everyone who said they'd be here is here [12:22] Wainbrave Bernal: Ute, you can definitely present from SL or OpenSim (if the latter ever gets going - grr) [12:22] Chiron Mirror: I expect that SL inclusion at the conf is a very good thing. [12:23] Wainbrave Bernal: We sent in a panel presentation with descriptions from everyone who put in their 2 cents a few weeks ago, rmmbr? [12:23] Chiron Mirror: Our collaboration and Boston session has created quite a buzz here at OSU. [12:23] Wainbrave Bernal: I think you guys are On it [12:23] Cooper Macbeth: SL would be the best due to stability issues (like today). [12:23] Wainbrave Bernal: really? [12:24] Wainbrave Bernal: agreed, Coop - just the immersive Ed Open Sim and Boston are represented by the same effort [12:24] Chiron Mirror: We have yet to organize a presentation plan, but that is a process in motion. [12:25] Wainbrave Bernal: so that would be optimal to at least show some machinima from when we DO get in [12:25] Ute Frenburg: Happy to do anything needed from my end. [12:25] Chiron Mirror: Agreed. We are experimenting heavily with machinima now in the safari. [12:25] Wainbrave Bernal: Aaron offered the keynote with a bit of a frame: [12:25] Cooper Macbeth: Yes, demo's in opensim but presentation in SL. [12:25] Chiron Mirror: Ruby, I need to chat with you about our safari [12:26] Cooper Macbeth: Actually, plan on one and use the other as a backup. [12:26] Chiron Mirror: Right WB. Plan A, B, C, D. A keynote requires that. [12:26] Wainbrave Bernal: An overview of what we've done with Oregon immersive Ed the last two years and then short snapshot presentations by folks representing individual projects [12:27] Chiron Mirror: That synchs with my picture. You front WB and we support [12:28] Wrenaria Antiesse: if access to the iED space is consistantly too much of an issue, we could probably use a piece of our the new region Chiron and I just obtained for Boston-related project building? [12:28] Wainbrave Bernal: ok. sounds good to me ;) thanks. [12:28] Chiron Mirror: Hi Cooper & Ute [12:28] Ute Frenburg: hey, Chiron :-) [12:28] Wainbrave Bernal: Yeah, we could use some space on CLIVE, perhaps too [12:28] Chiron Mirror: Yup. [12:28] Ute Frenburg: Wren, can we make it look like opensim? [12:29] Ute Frenburg: the oregon topo map? [12:29] Chiron Mirror: A simulated sim? Nice [12:29] Wainbrave Bernal: may i propose an overview? [12:29] Chiron Mirror: Please do [12:29] Cooper Macbeth: Hi Chiron [12:29] Ute Frenburg: bo for it [12:29] Cooper Macbeth: lol [12:29] Ute Frenburg: that's a "g" as in "go" lol [12:30] Wainbrave Bernal: how bout if we use small SL parcels as teasers for the larger Oregon sim [12:30] Wainbrave Bernal: I'm goin to go somewhere and send you each a tp [12:30] Wrenaria Antiesse: ok [12:30] Wainbrave Bernal: kk? [12:31] Chiron Mirror: Sounds good. [12:31] Chiron Mirror: We are gearing up to do quality machinima. It's not trivial, but we have a process. [12:31] Teleport completed from Oregon State University (221,107,39)



[12:32] Wrenaria Antiesse: heeeeey [12:33] Wainbrave Bernal: So this is our spot on the Smithsonian for our Virtual Oaxaca project [12:33] Wainbrave Bernal: ruby, you'll have to move so Chiron can get down [12:34] Ute Frenburg: that sounds like a fabulous plan...Chiron says "So perhaps each of us groups will work together to create machinimas of our sims. That way even if realtime in-world lags up or something, we have our work ready to show as video." [12:34] Wainbrave Bernal: so we created a "marketplace" as a means to see what's available on the bigger Virtual Oaxaca sim [12:34] Ute Frenburg: Just wanted to make sure local chat stayed with us all. :-) [12:35] Chiron Mirror: Ute. I'll send you the bragmail I sent to the OSU leadership :-) [12:35] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg is looking forward to the read. [12:35] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, the machinima for use for live presentations is a Best Pracice - great comment, Chiron [12:35] Wainbrave Bernal: so, anyways - I was thinking about our Virtual Oregon [12:35] Cooper Macbeth: Congrats to Ute (and me) for second place at VWBPE Best Educational Poster.. [12:36] Cooper MacbethCooper Macbeth's self promoting again. Argh. [12:36] Chiron Mirror: We have a high quality capture machine and two strong video people. [12:36] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg puts her virtual hand over Cooper's mouth. [12:36] Wainbrave Bernal: and thought maybe we could create a smaller space like this that would show off the greater development that's going on in Virtual Oregon [12:36] Chiron Mirror: We can do editing and voiceover, text, etc. [12:37] Wainbrave Bernal: that would be great! if we can brainstorm, script, shoot, in time for edit - yeah! are we up for that level of production? [12:37] Wrenaria Antiesse: seems like a good plan, Wainbrave [12:37] Chiron Mirror: Cool Cooper/Ute. What's VWBPE? [12:37] Wrenaria Antiesse: Chiron - it's a conference that was her in SL recenly [12:38] Wainbrave Bernal: VWBPE is virtual worlds best practics in education [12:38] Wrenaria Antiesse: recently* [12:38] Wainbrave Bernal: yup [12:38] Chiron Mirror: WB. Right. We can devote resources to really producing strong vids to show individual and group efforts. [12:38] Ute Frenburg: So, WB, like the poster space in VWBPE? [12:38] Wainbrave Bernal: that's great [12:39] Cooper Macbeth: Virtual World's Best Practice in Education Conference: a very large virtual education conference in SL [12:39] Wainbrave Bernal: yeah, UTE - it is like the poster sessions [12:39] Chiron Mirror: That's great Cooper. I'll google that. [12:39] Cooper Macbeth: http://www.vwbpe.org/awards [12:39] Wainbrave Bernal: but my idea is to make it more thematically integrated and "natural" than a poster session [12:39] Wainbrave Bernal: like this marketplace [12:39] Ute Frenburg: that sounds good. :-) [12:39] Wainbrave Bernal: everything is arranged in a way that tells you about stuff all over Oaxaca [12:40] Chiron Mirror: Yes. Integrated. The theme is comminity/collab/commons or such, right? [12:40] Wainbrave Bernal: I was thinking we could create something that embodies our presentations within an Oregon landscape theme [12:40] Wainbrave Bernal: maybe i'm not making sense [12:40] Chiron Mirror: So you want to make like an Agora (marketplace of ideas) [12:41] Chiron Mirror: Socrates lectures in the Agora. That totally makes sense to me.' [12:41] Wainbrave Bernal: It's a way of combining multiple virtual worlds platforms and not getting too spread thin [12:41] Wainbrave Bernal: giving us a Pattern Language to develop focused smaller plots here in SL - which is open and accessible, comparatively [12:42] Ute Frenburg: I think I understand....shops side by side showing continuity and diversity together. [12:42] Cooper Macbeth: We could redo our math textures to be good from Oaxaca but hard to totally avoid math. [12:42] Chiron Mirror: Like a Saturday merket where each of us has a "booth" showing our goods and the session is a tour around the market. [12:42] Cooper Macbeth: goods [12:42] Wainbrave Bernal: and luring people to come to OpenSim - less accessible, bigger, and easier to guarantee to K12 schools and teachers that it's safe [12:43] Wrenaria Antiesse: but - isn't our opensim space closed to outside users? [12:43] Wainbrave Bernal: well - for our ORegon project we have five Oregon institutions (so far) collaborating, right? [12:43] Wrenaria Antiesse: wouldn't that be... a problem? [12:43] Chiron Mirror: like instead of gridhopping and region porting we create portals to the various grids and regions. [12:43] Cooper Macbeth: duplication of environment in both SL and OpenSim would allay any fears of quality of builds/textures/scripts being different [12:44] Chiron Mirror: So far OpenSim has been closed to members! :-) [12:44] Wrenaria Antiesse: hehehe true [12:44] Cooper Macbeth: lol, maybe it's currently open to the public instead. [12:44] Wainbrave Bernal: sort of ... it's like using the more expensive, public spaces in SL as marketing brochures that have a bunch of the "goods" that you'll find in OpenSim - so it's "worth" going through the access vetting issues [12:45] Chiron Mirror: Yah. Full of 12th graders so we got bumped. [12:45] Wainbrave Bernal: we could put "kiosks" showing off Virtual Oregon in other virtual places too [12:46] Ute Frenburg: !"§$%&%$§"!___JA! GEIL! GEIL! GEEEEIIIILL!!!__ _ ENDLICH BIST DU WIEDER DA! :o WIE GEHTS DIR?_!"§$%&%$§"! [12:46] Ute Frenburg: I like the brochure idea, [12:46] Ruby Sol: good enthusiasm [12:46] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg cringes. sorry. keyboard shortcut [12:46] Wrenaria Antiesse: it just seems sad to have our main project be inaccessible to those outside of our little collective [12:46] Chiron Mirror: Do we want a hardcopy brochure? We can do that. What's the usual attendence? [12:47] Wainbrave Bernal: So if, instead of this Virtual Oaxaca Marketplace, what if we had a university commons that was shared by all of the institutions? [12:47] Cooper Macbeth: Has anyone tried to replicate this marketplace on Opensim? [12:47] Wainbrave Bernal: you could then have speakers from any instition come and present / talk and invite students from ANY of them to come [12:47] Wainbrave Bernal: for example [12:47] Wainbrave Bernal: We are moving into OpenSim for Virtual Oaxaca at about the same pace as we are for this project (ahem) [12:48] Wainbrave Bernal: but that is the idea [12:48] Chiron Mirror: Hmmmm. What kind of sharing agreement could we draft? [12:48] Wainbrave Bernal: except we'll put the whole Oaxacan Valley in OpenSim - and allow people to see where the marketplace things come from: native villages with language, customs, etc. [12:48] Chiron Mirror: It be good to get the institutions on record as belonging to and contributing to a common org/resource. [12:49] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - if we're to step into any real collaborations like this, sharing agreements will need to happen [12:49] Wainbrave Bernal: but wouldn't that be neat? [12:50] Wainbrave Bernal: We could draft an overview of this plan and circulate it to get feeback and then approval [12:50] Chiron Mirror: We could dedicate a chunk of our SL space to the commons. [12:50] Chiron Mirror: Beaver Island, I mean. [12:50] Wrenaria Antiesse: :) [12:50] Wainbrave Bernal: we'd want a commons on CLIVE Island I think, too [12:51] Chiron Mirror: Real neat and worth making real. [12:51] Wainbrave Bernal: and/or maybe we could use our VWER-grid land in that way [12:51] Ute Frenburg: DR would love to participate in a marketplace/demo/poster session. Whatever you would like us to do. [12:51] Wrenaria Antiesse: ah yes, vwer-grid.... I keep forgetting to go there [12:51] Chiron Mirror: Right. Then the key is to grid-link / port-link the parts together. [12:52] Wainbrave Bernal: yes [12:52] Chiron Mirror: But the inter-institutional agreement provides the glue. [12:52] Wainbrave Bernal: Sococo and MiRTLE would be good starts on our port-link ecosystem [12:53] Chiron Mirror: I already know who at OSU would freak out at this conversation :-) [12:53] Cooper Macbeth: lol [12:53] Wainbrave Bernal: Ute - yes - I think if we can create the conceptual framework for this for the Boston Summit, you and Coop could showcase what you did for OiED in one of the spots [12:54] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg is totally on board. [12:54] Wainbrave Bernal: Let's come up with a high level overview of this and then circulate it amongst our institutions - just to give them awareness of our intentions and who is working on it - how does that sound? [12:55] Chiron Mirror: Just right. [12:55] Ute Frenburg: sounds good [12:55] Wainbrave Bernal: we won't have the formal "go for it" by all - but it'll give us substance going fwd [12:56] Chiron Mirror: We can have some of the (un)formal by in among us all here: UO, OSU, OCC, DR [12:56] Wainbrave Bernal: then if Wren, you have enough space on your SL land to clear quickly - we can all work together on just one Commons for now [12:56] Wainbrave Bernal: and later, add one to CLIVE, etc. [12:56] Wrenaria Antiesse: our new region is empty at the moment [12:56] Wrenaria Antiesse: just got it [12:56] Chiron Mirror: We'll send the logging crews right in [12:56] Wrenaria Antiesse: so yeah, done [12:56] Wainbrave Bernal: perfect [12:56] Wrenaria Antiesse: :p [12:56] Wainbrave Bernal: wow [12:57] Chiron Mirror: We be thinking ahead on this, we be [12:57] Wrenaria Antiesse: :D [12:57] Wainbrave Bernal: i think we should keep it fairly small - the SL Oregon Learning Commons [12:57] Chiron Mirror: Wren makes it real [12:57] Wrenaria Antiesse: haha [12:57] Wainbrave Bernal: lol [12:57] Wainbrave Bernal: she does, indeed [12:58] Chiron Mirror: Yes. Too many regions are get-lost places. [12:58] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg knows Wren has magic in her finfertips. :-) [12:58] Wainbrave Bernal: now we don't rely completely on immersive Ed for the success of our Keynote [12:58] Wainbrave Bernal: whew [12:58] Cooper Macbeth: Well, can we move the lab their at 4000 m. It's 60x60x60m and eats a couple thousand prims. But you can have them back whenever you wish. [12:58] Wrenaria Antiesse: How about I make a Pixel Mountain group and dedicate a parcel to said group for building priviledges [12:58] Wrenaria Antiesse: here in SL [12:58] Wainbrave Bernal: sounds about perfect [12:58] Chiron Mirror: Yah [12:58] Wainbrave Bernal: i'm in [12:58] Wrenaria Antiesse: sweet deal [12:59] Cooper Macbeth: yes [12:59] Chiron Mirror: Just don't let me break a bunch of stuff again.... [12:59] Wainbrave Bernal: Chiron, how about you and I take a stab at the overview document? [12:59] Wrenaria Antiesse: hehehe [12:59] Chiron Mirror: Its a deal. [12:59] Wainbrave Bernal: and we'll share the draft with others [12:59] Wainbrave Bernal: sweet [12:59] Cooper MacbethCooper Macbeth loves progress. [12:59] Chiron Mirror: Yup. [12:59] Ute Frenburg: Ooo, I love a group that's willing to work to get the job done. [13:00] Wrenaria Antiesse: I do believe this is one of our most productive in-world meetings to date [13:00] Wrenaria Antiesse: :p [13:00] Wainbrave Bernal: Ok... the one thing I think would make this shoot right over that rainbow [13:00] Cooper MacbethCooper Macbeth on the edge of his seat. [13:00] Wainbrave Bernal: is if we could get members to be stewards of different parts of this [13:01] Chiron Mirror: Also, let's plan to collude on making machinima demos for each of our sims. That way we have a quality backup (and we could let it run on a laptop or something later for the curious). [13:01] Wainbrave Bernal: coordinating these different parts would help if we had "shepherds" [13:01] Chiron Mirror: What's a "steward" here? [13:01] Wainbrave Bernal: steward / shepherd; mox/nix [13:02] Chiron Mirror: I'll get a crook. It will make me look like Moses. [13:02] Ute Frenburg: Ready to coordinate a sector :-) [13:02] Ute Frenburg: baaaa [13:02] Wainbrave Bernal: we have the Panel Symposium and getting it scripted and ready = I'll do that, I guess [13:03] Chiron Mirror: Next two weeks will be helter-skelter for TAC. Lots of class visits and support work. [13:03] Wainbrave Bernal: We need machinima experts - people to shoot / edit film [13:03] Wrenaria Antiesse: if machinima is going to happen, we should choose a common resolution to shoot in so it's easier to make cohesive [13:03] Cooper Macbeth: Coordinate doc's where? Googledoc? [13:03] Wainbrave Bernal: anyone wanna do that who can do that? [13:03] Chiron Mirror: We have the experts and technology here. [13:03] Wainbrave Bernal: great point, Wren [13:03] Wainbrave Bernal: What about the institutional buyin stuff? [13:04] Wainbrave Bernal: anyone wanna take on the matter for framing and researching that? [13:04] Chiron Mirror: Mark and Steve are strong vid techs with good editing. They worked out a way to do high res captures. [13:04] Ute Frenburg: We can machinima our own little chunk, just let us know resolution and such [13:04] Wainbrave Bernal: or maybe to decide what we can put off and what we should do now in that regard [13:05] Wrenaria Antiesse: is there an ideal parcel size for our little commons area? [13:05] Cooper Macbeth: 1024x800 fairly standard for small laptops (machine of choice when traveling) so 900x700 works well for machinima. [13:05] Wainbrave Bernal: Ruby, do you wanna help with that Oregon institutional view? [13:05] Cooper Macbeth: Divide region into 3x3 grid and share central one. [13:05] Chiron Mirror: Well WB, we might be able to make sharing agreements for purchases or a membership subsription to the whole. Thing is levels of support here will vary. [13:06] Ruby Sol: don't think i can help with the institutional view, sorry [13:06] Wainbrave Bernal: right, ChiroM - there are different ways to consider this, huh? hadn't thought of that [13:06] Ute Frenburg: Is this something that will remain standing after iED, then? Could we not set it up for the presentations, then formulate agreements later? [13:07] Chiron Mirror: I'm a bit concerned that if we all break up into self-made machinima it will be hard to pull it all together into a seamless production. [13:07] Wainbrave Bernal: absolutely, Ute - I just was thinking that we could build initial capacity so we could make some sensational claims during the Keynote about what we're doing [13:07] Chiron Mirror: As if we were making a movie (we are) and each actor went off to shoot their own scenes. [13:07] Wainbrave Bernal: good point, Chiron. Maybe we should use a common scheme / team [13:07] Ute Frenburg: just worried about the time factor in scheduling machinima filming dates. [13:08] Cooper Macbeth: Fade to black with title pages usually handles a montage machinima. [13:08] Ruby Sol: video only, no audio? [13:08] Wainbrave Bernal: and the opportunities for us to work together in an ecological sense gets lost when we divide and conquor too much [13:08] Wainbrave Bernal: Ute has a great point on that [13:08] Ute Frenburg: ours will have to be tour lead for filming...definitely needs to be explained. :-) [13:09] Wainbrave Bernal: so - how about we come up with some guidelines for the machinima and try to cobble it together with the results? [13:09] Wainbrave Bernal: x amount of time [13:09] Wainbrave Bernal: shot w/this resolution [13:09] Wainbrave Bernal: etc [13:10] Chiron Mirror: Sadly, the definition of "cobble" is 'To put together clumsily; bungle' [13:10] Wainbrave Bernal: post everying to YouTube [13:10] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, I cobble some [13:11] Wainbrave Bernal: are we running out of steam? [13:11] Ruby Sol: chiron, do you think your techs could do all of the machinima? [13:11] Ute Frenburg: not here...hot air plenty! :-) [13:11] Cooper Macbeth: Ah, we each shoot our own little machinimas as prototypes for the professional crew so they know what they are going to capture and why. [13:11] Ute Frenburg: good idea, coop [13:11] Wainbrave Bernal: that makes better sense [13:11] Wrenaria Antiesse: coop - was thinking the same thing [13:12] Cooper MacbethCooper Macbeth falls easily in love with people who think the same. [13:12] Wainbrave Bernal: ok - what's the date for getting your draft machinima in? [13:12] Cooper Macbeth: April 8th [13:12] Chiron Mirror: That's cool. As Ute said, there is a time issue. [13:13] Wrenaria Antiesse: that's 2 weeks [13:13] Cooper Macbeth: We have to build some sets first. [13:13] Wainbrave Bernal: how much longer do you need? [13:13] Wainbrave Bernal: suggest a date [13:13] Cooper Macbeth: did [13:13] Chiron Mirror: What is a good length guideline for the machs? [13:14] Cooper Macbeth: Ah, Wrenaria, what do you think. [13:14] Wainbrave Bernal: ha ha - i read that you needed more time and it was you all along (duh) [13:14] Ute Frenburg: That would give machinima guys enough time to come up with a schedule we could all sign up for slots or whatever for final filming [13:14] Chiron Mirror: How long is the keynote? [13:14] Cooper Macbeth: 5 minutes is common but for a montage, depends on how many sections. Don't want a two hour movie. [13:14] Wrenaria Antiesse: we don't? [13:14] Wrenaria Antiesse: jk [13:14] Wrenaria Antiesse: :p [13:15] Ute Frenburg: :-) [13:15] Wainbrave Bernal: that's a good question - I emailed Aaron to tell me how long we have - I"m guessing 45 minutes? [13:15] Chiron Mirror: 3-D with a sequel. [13:15] Ute Frenburg: We could run 3-5 minutes [13:15] Cooper Macbeth: We don't want to answer all their questions in the machinima, just make them thirsty. [13:15] Chiron Mirror: and it is four groups presenting? [13:16] Chiron Mirror: True, Coop always leave them wanting more. [13:16] Ute Frenburg: Jim, too [13:16] Ute Frenburg: there are more not here [13:16] Chiron Mirror: So that is five parts. [13:16] Ute Frenburg: I think there's even more than that [13:17] Ute Frenburg: monica [13:17] Wrenaria Antiesse: Jim has his own presentation actually [13:17] Wrenaria Antiesse: he put in his own proposal [13:17] Ute Frenburg: but is he not a part of the whole? [13:17] Ruby Sol: monica was thinking of a philosophy garden module [13:17] Cooper Macbeth: But we are looking for a collaboration machinima [13:17] Chiron Mirror: Yes. The garden is great. [13:17] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, he does have he own - he would like to do something for the keynote tho, too [13:18] Wrenaria Antiesse: okay [13:18] Wainbrave Bernal: that would be awesome - philosophy garden [13:18] Ute Frenburg: so, about 6-8 parts then? [13:18] Wainbrave Bernal: reflection pools [13:18] Wrenaria Antiesse: about 6 parts according to my list [13:18] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - i need to pull up the email that we sent off [13:18] Chiron Mirror: 8 five minute parts is the whole sesion [13:18] Cooper Macbeth: A marketplace for philosophies? Hmmmm [13:18] Wainbrave Bernal: and Jher added a part too [13:18] Ute Frenburg: then just fashing snapshots? [13:18] Cooper Macbeth: Sounds like a street corner in Jerusalem. [13:19] Wainbrave Bernal: I think we should do less than 5 minutes [13:19] Chiron Mirror: jher is awesome. I'm glad to know that. Now we are over our timeslot. [13:19] Wainbrave Bernal: that would be tops [13:19] Wainbrave Bernal: if we shot for 3 minutes [13:19] Ute Frenburg: it would need to be about 2ish min each [13:19] Wainbrave Bernal: yup [13:19] Wainbrave Bernal: teasers [13:19] Wrenaria Antiesse: what i know of: philosophy garden, virtual oaxaca, sococo, subquan, whatever jim is doing [13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: then we each could bring a handout going into more about our projects [13:20] Wrenaria Antiesse: and beaver island [13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: different colors go together to make the Oregon rainbow packet [13:20] Chiron Mirror: That works. It's a lot to coordinate. [13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: yes [13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: guh [13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: hoping for many shepherds [13:20] Ute Frenburg: as long as it flows......continuum and cohesive. It sounds great! [13:20] Chiron Mirror: If we want, we can produce a hardcopy brochure that will highlight all of the efforts in one. [13:20] Cooper Macbeth: Ute won accolades for her VWBPE notecard handout. I will ask her to give you each a copy for reference. :-) [13:21] Wainbrave Bernal: or put them all neatly on the web [13:21] Wainbrave Bernal: yay! that would be great, Ute - and congrats [13:21] Chiron Mirror: We have nine shepherds and no flock. [13:21] Wrenaria Antiesse: hehe [13:21] Wainbrave Bernal: That's like our byline, huh? [13:21] Cooper Macbeth: I can baaa [13:21] Cooper Macbeth: mooo [13:22] Cooper Macbeth: and whatever goats do. [13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: not very well, I imagine, Coop [13:22] Chiron Mirror: goats bleat [13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: you have horns [13:22] Cooper Macbeth: roflmao [13:22] Ute Frenburg: squaaaaaack [13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: ok [13:22] Ute Frenburg: I'm empathetic, I can lead and follow. [13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: do we need to "right size" this project plan a bit [13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: or are we gonna go for it? [13:23] Cooper Macbeth: Again, do we have an asynchronous collaboration point: e.g. google doc [13:23] Chiron Mirror: Youtube is fine. But I suggest a plac "C" where we have a DVD ready to play in case network balks. [13:23] Wainbrave Bernal: we have the wiki [13:23] Wrenaria Antiesse: pixelmountain.wikispaces.com [13:24] Cooper Macbeth: good point. download to presentation pc/mac [13:24] Ute Frenburg: Where are you going to plan the keynote address, Wainbrave? On google docs? [13:24] Wainbrave Bernal: or even just the series of machinima all lined up in a folder and ready to play on the local presentation 'puter [13:24] Chiron Mirror: Do we want a hardcopy brochure to hand out? [13:24] Cooper Macbeth: Need a place to collect prototype machinimas for professionals to preview. [13:24] Cooper Macbeth: Again, google doc? [13:25] Wainbrave Bernal: planning the keynote mulling [13:25] Wainbrave Bernal: how about we share a Dropbox for Pixel Mtn? [13:25] Ute Frenburg: Dropbox is good [13:25] Wainbrave Bernal: things for the org goes in Dropbox [13:25] Wainbrave Bernal: I'll start and send an invite [13:25] Ute Frenburg: sounds good. [13:26] Ute Frenburg: We can upload images for a hardcopy brochure, too, if that's the concensus. [13:26] Cooper Macbeth: dropbox is good, still need shared notes for async collaboration, could use wiki but that opens so many doors. [13:26] Wrenaria Antiesse: speaking of google docs [13:27] Wrenaria Antiesse: it'd be really great if everyone would fill out at least some contact info in our Pixel Mountain contact doc [13:27] Wrenaria Antiesse: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aj_fXOiuOncGdGJYd3pvajlyUmZaaUY4ajlHdmwxcHc&hl=en#gid=0 [13:27] Wainbrave Bernal: what we see in Dropbox will be the latest version. Open it up, add, edit, and put it back - asyncronous sharing on the most up to date docs [13:27] Wrenaria Antiesse: would be nice to have a centralized list so we can more easily contact eachother [13:27] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - a listserv you mean? [13:28] Wrenaria Antiesse: and/or that [13:28] Wrenaria Antiesse: :p [13:28] Wainbrave Bernal: what do you mean "centralized list"? [13:28] Ute Frenburg: I need permission first, wren... utefrenburg @ gmail.com [13:28] Wainbrave Bernal: contact sheet? [13:28] Cooper Macbeth: Please add CooperMacbeth to google doc permissions. [13:28] Wrenaria Antiesse: I just find I am copying and pasting everyone's emails from older emails and hoping i didnt miss anyone [13:29] Cooper Macbeth: coopermacbeth @ gmail.com [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - ok - we need to add Jher to our lists too [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: he wants to be included [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: it's hard to know who is in which group and who is being bothered by our "carrying on" [13:29] Cooper Macbeth: Jher = sococco? [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: metamedia [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: grad student [13:29] Cooper Macbeth: Ah [13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: eric smith is sococo [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: and HE wants to be in the loop too! :) [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: ok - 2:30 [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: gotta get going [13:30] Cooper Macbeth: great meeting [13:30] Ruby Sol: thanks all [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: super, yeah! [13:30] Ute Frenburg: Just let us know where to build and we'll start. [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: thanks everyone! [13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: let's rock! [13:30] Cooper Macbeth: Past local chat into google doc, please Wrenaria [13:31] Wainbrave Bernal: thanks Wren [13:31] Wrenaria Antiesse: I'll include the where info in the group I make and invite everyone to [13:31] Cooper Macbeth: paste, darn fingers, paste [13:31] Wainbrave Bernal: great [13:31] Wainbrave Bernal: see you! [13:31] Wrenaria Antiesse: local chat will be found in our meeting minutes [13:31] Wrenaria Antiesse: on the wiki [13:31] Ute Frenburg: awesome! You guys are great!! [13:31] Wrenaria Antiesse: it always is [13:31] Wrenaria Antiesse: :) [13:31] Chiron Mirror: see yah [13:31] Ute Frenburg: later! [13:31] Cooper Macbeth: Chiron, are you ready for us to set up a place on Beaver Isle? [13:31] Ruby Sol: bye [13:32] Wrenaria Antiesse: thanks all for showing up today :D [13:32] Chiron Mirror: Cooper Ute - you guys have the machinima thing all figured out. It's wise for yolu all to lkead that part. [13:32] Cooper Macbeth: Or should I ask Wrenaria [13:32] Ute Frenburg: Thanks for making this possible, Wren.....with the iED thang. [13:33] Wrenaria Antiesse: yeah sure Ute :) [13:33] Cooper Macbeth: I need a place to move my lab so that Ute can create. Now only I can create. [13:33] Cooper Macbeth: We talked about Beaver Isle. Just until iED would be very useful. [13:34] Ute Frenburg: We are not machinima experts, but we can make a mock up [13:34] Cooper Macbeth: 60x60 at 4000m so doesn't interfere with land development. Perhaps over a forest (low prim) area. Will use about 2000 prims for awhile. [13:34] Chiron Mirror: We have plenty of space open on BI for iED. If we get a good sharing agreement going, maybe permanent. [13:35] Cooper Macbeth: yes, but non-gratis until then? W/o agreement? :-) [13:35] Chiron Mirror: We are not mach experts either. It's not easy to do well. [13:36] Chiron Mirror: If you are willing to coordinate that part, then we have a chance of a combined effort in a month and ahlf. [13:36] Chiron Mirror: non-gratis? [13:36] Ute Frenburg: You want us to compile everyone's machinima? [13:36] Ute Frenburg: Is that what you're asking? [13:37] Cooper Macbeth: Needing a place asap to move lab with build permissions for lab. [13:37] Cooper Macbeth: Ute cannot build where my lab is currently hosted. [13:37] Cooper Macbeth: we are having two separate conversations. I will cease the lab moving until the machinima one is complete. [13:37] Chiron Mirror: Ute, does that seem like a useful function in this project. [13:38] Chiron Mirror: ? [13:38] Cooper Macbeth: We don't talk money, remember. :-) [13:38] Chiron Mirror: brb [13:38] Ute Frenburg: Machinima is highly useful! Absolutely!! I just don't feel that I'm capable of making it professional. [13:39] Ute Frenburg: We can certainly do mock-ups for your professional team to compile, though. [13:39] Cooper Macbeth: We are on macs and best machinima stuff is on PC's. We don't have merge or media translation software. Macs are kindof clickish. [13:39] Chiron Mirror: back. Ute. Yes, the mach is crucial. I'm wondering whether we should have someone coordinate that part. [13:39] Chiron Mirror: And whether you all will do that. [13:40] Ute Frenburg: Coordinate with your professionals? [13:40] Chiron Mirror: I'm getting confused. Probably just tired. [13:40] Ute Frenburg: You said you had some professional machinima guys all ready [13:41] Cooper Macbeth: And we talked about each of us shooting prototype machinima for them to view, then schedule to shoot final copy. [13:41] Chiron Mirror: They are video pros who are learning mach. [13:41] Chiron Mirror: For the Virtual Safari. [13:41] Ute Frenburg: ahh..that works, too [13:42] Chiron Mirror: But if nine people are going to produce their own machs and post to Youtube, that's ok too. [13:42] Ute Frenburg: I think it depends on how professional you want this to be. [13:42] Cooper Macbeth: I need to go but I have your emails. I will work up a proposal for you shortly. Good luck on hasing out the machinima issues. [13:42] Ute Frenburg: If we post individuallly, you'll get all sorts. [13:42] Chiron Mirror: ok [13:43] Cooper Macbeth: The proposal for moving a copy of my lab to BI. Thanks. [13:43] Ute Frenburg: If you want cohesive, we should post as one unit [13:43] Chiron Mirror: That's just my thinking Ute. [13:43] Cooper Macbeth: Great seeing you two again. [13:44] Ute Frenburg: I don't have a problem getting notices out to everyone about creating a prototype for possible inclusion in professional. [13:44] Wrenaria Antiesse: it was my understanding that everyone should shoot something basic and send it our way, and then we'd re-shoot a cohesive tour [13:44] Ute Frenburg: Exactly, wren. [13:44] Wrenaria Antiesse: okay [13:44] Wrenaria Antiesse: just making sure [13:45] Ute FrenburgUte Frenburg was getting confused, too. [13:45] Ute Frenburg: We just need to make that clear to all who weren't here [13:45] Ute Frenburg: and it needs to be shot in the "new" iED space we create either market-like or garden-like? [13:47] Ute Frenburg: Sounds like we just need the space to get started. :-))) [13:47] Ute Frenburg: then send out the landmark to everyone for their build and machinima shooting. [13:48] Ute Frenburg: with an april 8th deadline and see how many respond favorably [13:48] Chiron Mirror: OK. [13:48] Wrenaria Antiesse: right [13:48] Ute Frenburg: So next is the place. [13:49] Ute Frenburg: You guys said you have the space? or do you have to wait for an agreement of some kind? [13:50] Chiron Mirror: No waiting. Time is precious. Start building. Wew can host at least through iED. [13:50] Wrenaria Antiesse: I will get the parcel and group set up today [13:50] Wrenaria Antiesse: and send out an email to everyone by the end of today [13:50] Wrenaria Antiesse: so people can start building immediately [13:51] Ute Frenburg: sounds good....I'll just need a landmark and wren and I can parcel it a bit so people can know their sectors, or shops, or plots, or whatever...lol [13:51] Chiron Mirror: WB and I are going to have a stab at designing an inster-instiotutional commons agreement, but that's all future stuff. [13:51] Ute Frenburg: Awesome, Wren! :-) [13:51] Ute Frenburg: That sounds great, too, Chiron. [13:51] Wrenaria Antiesse: it will be on the region "OSU" [13:51] Wrenaria Antiesse: somewhere [13:51] Wrenaria Antiesse: :D [13:52] Ute Frenburg: I'm going to be talking to Scot Headley at GFU in the next few weeks and will be letting him know of my involvement here, so we may have George Fox on board, too [13:52] Chiron Mirror: Yah. We have a shot aat a keynote address. It's major. We should do all we can to make it as strong and seamless as possible. [13:52] Wrenaria Antiesse: we have another meeting at 2pm though, so it will have to wait until after that to map it out [13:52] Ute Frenburg: Sounds good. I'll keep my email open! :-) [13:52] Chiron Mirror: Better go. By Ute. [13:52] Ute Frenburg: Great to plan! :-) [13:53] Ute Frenburg: See you! [13:53] Wrenaria Antiesse: bye